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 Post subject: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:45 pm 
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It has come to a discussion among some of us at many tracks as to when we are to incorporate some 4cycle classes into the VKA for the future and security of the organization9 (especialy at smaller turn outs). As the years pass and many of the grey hairs disappear we may find that due to not truly following the evolution of the sport it could and may go into a decline. Many in the circle of discussions we were all 2 cycle racers in the beginning and love it dearly but also admit we left our 1st loves and went to 4 cycle racing because of popularity and cost and got our sons and grandsons into karting. This by all means would bring some more popularity to our events and also give us races that would have field of 6-10 rather than maybe 2 karts in a race. For the track promoters it would increase attendance and revenue to both the VKA and participating tacks. With the year ending and 2018 coming I would like to throw out a local track option of a Briggs only4 cycle mod class and a 4 cycle stock class. We would like to look to trying this at bushnell and Barnesville Bob Bartholmew has already been entertaining the idea.. 4 cycle karting entered the scene in 1981.. Be gracious with your thoughts and comments. Many of us were 4 cycle karters longer than we were 2cycle.


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 Post subject: Re: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:02 pm 
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If your the promoter, do whatever you want. I race modern 4 cycle also but find them boring for the most part. Others love them. I won't be joining the 4 cycle crew so I'm not going to defect to join the ranks of the 4 cycle. I see the biggest problem as being we only have so many people that want to attend an event no matter what the engine is. I call it "racers and key board racers". We are far outnumbered by keyboard racers. Many say they will be attending an event but you never see them.


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 Post subject: Re: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:11 am 
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Marc...

as you know..currently there are no 4 cycle classes...for many reasons....one being we already have to many classes,,,100 karts divided by 18,,,,gives pretty low numbers per class ,,, excluding the very popular and growing Yamaha classes....

4 cycles are a promoters option,,(unwritten) but again,there are so many 4 cycle classses,,,,,hard to satisfy all.......bring 4-5-6 like karts to the tracks you mentioned and you will most likely be able to run,,, but again, up to the promoter....you seem to know Bob...confirm with him,,,,-

I know its gonna happen some day,,,,,,just not yet,,,

gw

just an FYI...this post was 8/22 and on 11/2 they were approved,,,,stuff happens quick...many asked for it ,,many..

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 Post subject: Re: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:59 pm 
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Thanks for your reply Gary. It's what I expected. Now as far as the classes that would evolve there would not be many because their is no weight rule in the VKA(I.E. 3: JR flathead Briggs, SR Box stock Briggs flathead ., Modified Flathead Briggs . Jr 2cycle, and JR 4cycle would combine nicely. The many 4 cycle classes of the past were because of weight rules as well as 2 cycle. In review of past years participation #'s around the country many events had low numbers and your "not yet "comment seemed a little selfish when it comes to track promoters needing certain amount of entry's to make event expenses. VKA Chassis rules cut off is 1987 and that was well into the 4cycle era and that is what kept karting alive. You and I know track promoters have doubled up certain classes to aid in event progress and not to have just 2 or 3 karts out there not making a demonstration run. I loved my 2 cycle years and have had as much enjoyment during the 4 cycle years of racing. Not trying to stir things up just asking the board and others to recognize reality and the future preservation of VKA after the Grey and White haired racers start disappearing. Make it a Published Local Track Promoters OPTION to test it out. One more note, From the time I started VKA racing till now and watched things change the so called stock motors in all classes turned into modifieds...Rules/Guidelines?? When the OLD MEN strap the helmets on their minds think their 25 again till they crash and are going a little toooo fast.(ie:Rick @ Barnesville).. Many now watch but maybe would still race a 4cycle class.. I love the sport and all the history of it and just anxious to see it stay & grow sir.. thanks for your input..


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 Post subject: Re: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:50 pm 
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Lynn Haddock and Bob Bartholomy have been working up the 4 cycle guideline rules stay tuned for updates.


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 Post subject: Re: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:01 pm 
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BUSHNELL 2018 event flyer posted: 1st event for the 4 cycles stock & modified classes.. Blow the dust off those flatheads boys!


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 Post subject: Re: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:04 pm 
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hard to dust things off if people don't know the rules. Probably just approved this week.


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 Post subject: Re: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:52 am 
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and yes...things changed that quickly...

I just hope it doesn't turn into bumpercars ...

gw

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 Post subject: Re: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:06 pm 
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as always safety is first. Bumper cars? VKA racing is no contact racing ( oh I forgot we aren't racing). If it gets rough, send the perps home. In any class. Things can happens but people need to be aware. How many times have we approached a newer person and they didn't understand this?.


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 Post subject: Re: inncorporating some 4 cycle classe to VKA
Unread postPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:18 pm 
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For the record guys.. Racers that will run 4 cycles will be running 2 cycles also and many are the ones we've been running with for years. I know some don't want to see the 4cycles come in but honestly that's a selfish side to confine the real karting history to early era. If that be the case lets face reality, If we truly regard the establishment of the VKA and its future we will embrace it's evolution and safeguard its standards and guidelines. People come to Race down memory lane and we all need to remind each other we are not 25 any more and age is not shown with a helmet on. Given that when the green flag drops no one is at half throttle and drive as deep into the corners as they can. That is the thrill and joy that the VKA has brought back to us all and we all need to drive with clean Driving Code among drivers. (maybe create one for all to abide by in our guidelines).
My ending comment: What will the VKA be in 10yrs when us old guys aren't around any more and many parts & engines are more scarce and to overpriced and valued to even run them?. With out embracing the evolution of our sport and preserving the karts and engines that prove its existence it will cease to exist. BUT if we do it in a manner of professionalism and regard we can pass it on from generation to generation. My son and I have many cherished karting memories as many in our sport, and look forward to many more being part of the VKA. We all have to be disciplined and need help educate current incoming racers to the intent and purpose of the VKA. Lets go into 2018 and have another great year of VKA Karting and make some new memories. Time passes by to fast.....


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